As far as I know there are attempts to use "buy American" act and blow backs and then something about using domestically manufactured goods (although I have not found it in actual legislative text yet) but I heartily agree the Obama administration is truly ignoring the most critical sector, manufacturing and how the U.S. must return to a production economy again.
Both Bush and Obama administrations talked about how TARP money needed to go to consumer and biz loans, but I don't think that they believed it. What banks would expand credit right now? And would we really want them to? The best way to loosen up credit is to create jobs so that people can pay their mortgages, car loans and credit card bills, and then twist the lenders into restructuring consumer debt so that bills become more affordable. http://tinyurl.com/ObamaTARP
I just watched a horrific story on 60 minutes about a town in Ohio getting decimated by DHL backing out of US overnight shipping and screwing the entire town in so many words.
Anyway, I've seen this over and over again. by law, they have to offer health benefits when people are "separated from their job" (oh so lovely a phrase) but the payments are so absurd, I don't know who could afford them.
They mentioned 1500 bucks a month for 1 person in this segment.
Anyone want to tackle the CORBA rip off because it sure seems there is a story there.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't it Nixon who approved legislation or something that helped establish the HMO industry? Also, wasn't it under Nixon who cut back on a lot of spending on social health programs? I could have sworn it was him. So if one wanted to take this from the perspective of healthcare, I would say Richard Millhouse Nixon was the worst president. Of course, ever president afterwards had a chance to fix this......but didn't. Like Yoda said in Empire Strikes Back " Don't try....do!"
you are navigating the same debate many have gone through.
I think anyone who has lived abroad in pretty much any other nation knows full well that each nation puts it's own citizens first. I've never seen anything like some of the attitudes in the U.S. anywhere else.
These people have nothing unique to offer other than their labour rate is lower (having to train them and then hand over your job to these people must be distressing). Hope they all get banned.
Though not sure, now in hindsight, if I should've said "White telephone", some folks (And you know they're out there) will take that I meant pro-caucasion. This of course, is not the case (I myself, for the record, am part Latino). Open borders proponents seem to not grasp the entire costs of adopting such measures. No other nation does this to the extent that some are proposing. The EU, despite it's goals of having "Polish Plumbers in Paris", is wraught with exceptions to the rule. I'd wager that a GP from Estonia could not practice in the Benelux nations like he or she did back home.
I would say this about open borders, if it is to be adopted. We need to be honest and frame it to what it really means, Open Benefits. Not Free Benefits, because in some way, migrants pay some kind of tax (though not enough to cover expenses). So, if we're to have Open Benefits, then we have to accept that this something that the "host nation" is allowing entrance to a "labor provider nation" which is facilitating the migration of people through no restrictions of movement across stated territories. Secondly since this is in a sense, a symbiotic partnership, then if we are to have "Open Benefits", then there needs to be the application of "Open Costs." You can send us your people, but you will provide for the reinburstment of certain costs if said emigration is to be of a temporary nature (regardless of length). We would, in a sense, be renting out our employment prospects and economic resources. There must be rules in place, and mutual understanding that this is a business relationship and nothing more.
Of course, RO, I'm not in favor of such a thing. I highly doubt we would ever see the Open Costs portion of the partnership ever promoted let alone enforced. In the end, sadly, we would have a 21st century plantation system. Actually, in many ways, we do have that now.
Also, for the record, I've been toying around with thinking of myself as a Progressive-Nationalist. The latter part has had a negative connotation for a long time, especially links towards racism. I've included the term Progressive because I am open to new pragmatic solutions and the advancement of civil rights. Nationalism, for me, is wanting to put this country's welfare first. Now I guess to other readers I need to make a clarification here. One could make the claim that by putting the nation's welfare first could be interpreted as meaning waging imperialistic wars to secure resources for such welfare. That has been the case in past nationalist efforts (i.e. Nazi Germany and "lebensraum"). But for me, and this is where the Progressive elements should influence nationalism, it is removing a nation from foreign entanglements because it has cost us blood and treasure. Instead of pouring resources into wars in Viet Nam or Iraq, I say allocate towards improving our economy and healthcare and education. Like many other words that have been corrupted by an evil Right, we need to take this word back. I want to look out for this nation's children, be they of any race, creed, color, religion, or what have you. Let China worry about China, I know they don't worry about us, and I suspect neither do any of our friends and trading partners. It's time we worry about ourselves instead of meddling in the affairs of others. That to me is Progressive-Nationalism!
....I submit that what Clinton did, and it was bad...Glass Steagal also, was done in the environment created and fostered by the 'conservative' movement. Certainly, the Democrat Party is just as much a part of the problem as the Republican's actions have been...
Lately.
But let's call a spade a spade. Here are two different lists:
Teddy Roosevelt
FDR
JFK
and:
Richard Milhouse Nixon
Ronald Reagan
George W. Bush
Which group has done more to damage this nation by their ignorance, corruption and stupidity.
I am not playing any games, 'blame' or otherwise, I merely assert what is historical truth. I do this in the face of a blogosphere, a MSM a society that still believes the lies of the second group.
Indeed, unless I miss my guess President Obama is still running plays from the 'conservative' playbook.
That's not a good thing as I will be telling him if they ever open up comments on his 'blog'. It's true we need to look at the specific; thus my McClatchy quote about the CBO's analysis of the 'stimulus' package.
the minute any labor economics, global realities come into play....hey man, anyone who mentions it is a card carrying KKK member, racist xenophobe, white supremacist (we will ignore your own personal ethnicity in this claim of course).
Seriously and the thing that I find astounding, absolutely defies any labor economics reality is the idea of unlimited, unfettered global migration. The global workforce is in the billions, so obviously unfettered migration will be wage repression on steroids, never mind the other consequences of sudden influxes of peoples into one geographical location.
I mean it sounds all warm, fuzzy, "let's all hold hands and sing a cola-cola commercial song about how the world is just a global village" but the cold hard economic reality paints a very ugly picture.
there is a huge movement over on the "left" or should I say corporate cheap labor lobbyists plus special interests on the left who push this idea down the throats of the left and basically name call anyone who disagrees.
This is one of the reasons I went for "Populist" instead of Progressive because denying history, labor economics and especially the history of what happens to labor forces under these conditions....well I just can't go into denial to join in some inane sing along as if none of these facts exist.
I love your comment title, no shit man, what happened to plain ole common sense in the United States? It's like we have Homer Simpson creating policy most of the time.
I suspect the single most damaging event to the United States economy was the China PNTR, promoted, signed by Bill Clinton and also heavily pushed by Al Gore.
Truly, the United States economic destruction is simply not partisan, it's really corporate lobbyists, corruption so Congress pays no attention to the long term national interest, obtains objective analysis and just does whatever corporate lobbyists want them to do.
The key to get off of the vague partisan blame game is to look at the specifics, the details.
...I think the meme of Republicans and their 'conservative' economist fellow travelers are the real terrorists should be fostered.
In point of fact, they have done more damage to our nation than Osama could dream of.
40 years of propaganda about the 'free market'...
Destruction of our manufacturing base...
Destruction of the military...
And worst of all the erosion of trust between all citizens without which we are going to be unable to rebuild our economy.
Ignorant tools like Boehner are still spewing lies which do more than spread false information; they make us suspicious of each other.
Sadly, at this point I wonder if Obama is going to do the same thing. The idea that is 'stimulus' package is all about helping the average citizen gets more threadbare every day.
The H-1B Visa was changed in 1990. They changed the requirement on the "H" Visa, which had worked perfectly well and been around since 1952 to say there was no requirement that the guest worker would not abandon their permanent home residence.
So, while you are correct, both parties, Democrats, Republicans, Clinton Bush have been doing the corporate lobbyists bidding for years, one needs to realize it is not just one party, one administration. They all are corrupt as hell, doing what corporations want and not what is in the best national interest or U.S. workers interest.
This is an issue of the AFL-CIO and since they are probably the most powerful force we have, considering joining up with WashTech and/or writing, pressuring the AFL-CIO to do more on professional labor issues isn't a bad idea.
There are also numerous grassroots out there and you can't go to slashdot or any technical "geek" site without reading about this. That's because the #1 targeted occupations for global labor arbitrage are STEM/I.T. categories.
Nurses too and note, Congress has not specifically put money to demand U.S. nursing schools expand, pay Professors much more to create more U.S. nurses. Right now 50,000 applicants are turned away and the GPA requirements to get into nursing school are higher than medical school.
Why is that? Because the Philippines and other nations think nurses are something to trade (teachers too), and the United States has offshore outsourced training and education.
When can we have some rules on these bailouts. That companies help unemployed American workers instead of outsourcing or hiring temporary working visa workers like h1b. It seems the ordinary people gets the bill but they are not even helped at all. We need to bailout what is left of our manufacturing and small business here in America.
Obama is starting to become just a repeat of the Clinton Administration which started all these problems.
Romer is claimed to have a paper that tax cuts do generate a larger GDP multiplier. Mankiw (remember him, outsourcing is good for America Bush economic adviser) it trying to claim that's what her research says.
But Brad DeLong is debunking this particular research paper.
Yet from somewhere are these tax cuts coming from. Someone needs to do a detailed graph of various tax cuts and compare to economic growth.
My issue is all of these economists, left and right are ignoring the globalization realities. We have GDP that is actually production in foreign countries, due to offshore outsourcing, they count foreign guest workers in the employment statistics which skews the numbers.
They are ignoring the multibillion dollar offshore outsourcing industry, in India it's about 5.7% of GDP and most of those contracts, a good portion are previous U.S. jobs.
They ignore illegal labor and how that causes wage repression, a massive underground economy (tax cuts? how about no taxes whatsoever!), erosion of worker rights.
If it's true the U.S. has 10-20M illegal immigrants this seriously skews the labor force. The entire population is only 305 million in the U.S. with about a 100 million sized workforce (or less).
In this document, some of our institutions like the NSF are promoting wage repression, labor arbitrage of PhD level researchers and post docs and indeed they are.
Somehow these institutions are able to promote a global labor arbitrage/wage repression agenda when they receive a lot of taxpayer funds and this should be stopped, period.
and they are ignoring trade and how manufacturing is getting gutted by arbitrage and terms in trade agreements.
China just overcame Germany has the 3rd largest economy yet China still has emerging economy status! It's absurd to give China emerging economic status. India too at this point. Brazil....maybe not.
But at some point this whole global village the the resulting economic realities needs to be dealt with and they are not....and because of that I don't think any policy will be effective, or at best, maybe 30-50% less effective than it could be.
...Omama's rhetoric on this, which I think good, is so out of step with what I see as the reality.
Tax cuts do NOT equal jobs. This is Republican and 'conservative' economics twaddle which you would think most policy makers would know by now.
Trying to, '...we must act now...' does not square with, as McClatchy points out, the actual package. Are we looking at a redux ox of Bush II all talk and no effective policy?
I grabbed the wrong piece, thinking I was copying another piece. I decided to leave it in for a lot of these current tax cut proposals are quite similar to the last "Stimulus"
and the bottom line of Keynesian spending implies they are not very effective.
But I did grab the wrong article when hunting on his latest tax cut commentary. Now corrected and the rest of the links are from 01/09.
As far as I know there are attempts to use "buy American" act and blow backs and then something about using domestically manufactured goods (although I have not found it in actual legislative text yet) but I heartily agree the Obama administration is truly ignoring the most critical sector, manufacturing and how the U.S. must return to a production economy again.
I just Obama follows the lead to help American Citizens and Legal residents first.
Both Bush and Obama administrations talked about how TARP money needed to go to consumer and biz loans, but I don't think that they believed it. What banks would expand credit right now? And would we really want them to? The best way to loosen up credit is to create jobs so that people can pay their mortgages, car loans and credit card bills, and then twist the lenders into restructuring consumer debt so that bills become more affordable. http://tinyurl.com/ObamaTARP
I just watched a horrific story on 60 minutes about a town in Ohio getting decimated by DHL backing out of US overnight shipping and screwing the entire town in so many words.
Anyway, I've seen this over and over again. by law, they have to offer health benefits when people are "separated from their job" (oh so lovely a phrase) but the payments are so absurd, I don't know who could afford them.
They mentioned 1500 bucks a month for 1 person in this segment.
Anyone want to tackle the CORBA rip off because it sure seems there is a story there.
HMO Act
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't it Nixon who approved legislation or something that helped establish the HMO industry? Also, wasn't it under Nixon who cut back on a lot of spending on social health programs? I could have sworn it was him. So if one wanted to take this from the perspective of healthcare, I would say Richard Millhouse Nixon was the worst president. Of course, ever president afterwards had a chance to fix this......but didn't. Like Yoda said in Empire Strikes Back " Don't try....do!"
you are navigating the same debate many have gone through.
I think anyone who has lived abroad in pretty much any other nation knows full well that each nation puts it's own citizens first. I've never seen anything like some of the attitudes in the U.S. anywhere else.
which action was the worst disaster for the U.S. economy?
These people have nothing unique to offer other than their labour rate is lower (having to train them and then hand over your job to these people must be distressing). Hope they all get banned.
Though not sure, now in hindsight, if I should've said "White telephone", some folks (And you know they're out there) will take that I meant pro-caucasion. This of course, is not the case (I myself, for the record, am part Latino). Open borders proponents seem to not grasp the entire costs of adopting such measures. No other nation does this to the extent that some are proposing. The EU, despite it's goals of having "Polish Plumbers in Paris", is wraught with exceptions to the rule. I'd wager that a GP from Estonia could not practice in the Benelux nations like he or she did back home.
I would say this about open borders, if it is to be adopted. We need to be honest and frame it to what it really means, Open Benefits. Not Free Benefits, because in some way, migrants pay some kind of tax (though not enough to cover expenses). So, if we're to have Open Benefits, then we have to accept that this something that the "host nation" is allowing entrance to a "labor provider nation" which is facilitating the migration of people through no restrictions of movement across stated territories. Secondly since this is in a sense, a symbiotic partnership, then if we are to have "Open Benefits", then there needs to be the application of "Open Costs." You can send us your people, but you will provide for the reinburstment of certain costs if said emigration is to be of a temporary nature (regardless of length). We would, in a sense, be renting out our employment prospects and economic resources. There must be rules in place, and mutual understanding that this is a business relationship and nothing more.
Of course, RO, I'm not in favor of such a thing. I highly doubt we would ever see the Open Costs portion of the partnership ever promoted let alone enforced. In the end, sadly, we would have a 21st century plantation system. Actually, in many ways, we do have that now.
Also, for the record, I've been toying around with thinking of myself as a Progressive-Nationalist. The latter part has had a negative connotation for a long time, especially links towards racism. I've included the term Progressive because I am open to new pragmatic solutions and the advancement of civil rights. Nationalism, for me, is wanting to put this country's welfare first. Now I guess to other readers I need to make a clarification here. One could make the claim that by putting the nation's welfare first could be interpreted as meaning waging imperialistic wars to secure resources for such welfare. That has been the case in past nationalist efforts (i.e. Nazi Germany and "lebensraum"). But for me, and this is where the Progressive elements should influence nationalism, it is removing a nation from foreign entanglements because it has cost us blood and treasure. Instead of pouring resources into wars in Viet Nam or Iraq, I say allocate towards improving our economy and healthcare and education. Like many other words that have been corrupted by an evil Right, we need to take this word back. I want to look out for this nation's children, be they of any race, creed, color, religion, or what have you. Let China worry about China, I know they don't worry about us, and I suspect neither do any of our friends and trading partners. It's time we worry about ourselves instead of meddling in the affairs of others. That to me is Progressive-Nationalism!
....I submit that what Clinton did, and it was bad...Glass Steagal also, was done in the environment created and fostered by the 'conservative' movement. Certainly, the Democrat Party is just as much a part of the problem as the Republican's actions have been...
Lately.
But let's call a spade a spade. Here are two different lists:
Teddy Roosevelt
FDR
JFK
and:
Richard Milhouse Nixon
Ronald Reagan
George W. Bush
Which group has done more to damage this nation by their ignorance, corruption and stupidity.
I am not playing any games, 'blame' or otherwise, I merely assert what is historical truth. I do this in the face of a blogosphere, a MSM a society that still believes the lies of the second group.
Indeed, unless I miss my guess President Obama is still running plays from the 'conservative' playbook.
That's not a good thing as I will be telling him if they ever open up comments on his 'blog'. It's true we need to look at the specific; thus my McClatchy quote about the CBO's analysis of the 'stimulus' package.
the minute any labor economics, global realities come into play....hey man, anyone who mentions it is a card carrying KKK member, racist xenophobe, white supremacist (we will ignore your own personal ethnicity in this claim of course).
Seriously and the thing that I find astounding, absolutely defies any labor economics reality is the idea of unlimited, unfettered global migration. The global workforce is in the billions, so obviously unfettered migration will be wage repression on steroids, never mind the other consequences of sudden influxes of peoples into one geographical location.
I mean it sounds all warm, fuzzy, "let's all hold hands and sing a cola-cola commercial song about how the world is just a global village" but the cold hard economic reality paints a very ugly picture.
there is a huge movement over on the "left" or should I say corporate cheap labor lobbyists plus special interests on the left who push this idea down the throats of the left and basically name call anyone who disagrees.
This is one of the reasons I went for "Populist" instead of Progressive because denying history, labor economics and especially the history of what happens to labor forces under these conditions....well I just can't go into denial to join in some inane sing along as if none of these facts exist.
I love your comment title, no shit man, what happened to plain ole common sense in the United States? It's like we have Homer Simpson creating policy most of the time.
This is EXACTLY what we need now...and 20 years ago! I hope this passes, and I hope we get the same idea.
I suspect the single most damaging event to the United States economy was the China PNTR, promoted, signed by Bill Clinton and also heavily pushed by Al Gore.
Truly, the United States economic destruction is simply not partisan, it's really corporate lobbyists, corruption so Congress pays no attention to the long term national interest, obtains objective analysis and just does whatever corporate lobbyists want them to do.
The key to get off of the vague partisan blame game is to look at the specifics, the details.
...I think the meme of Republicans and their 'conservative' economist fellow travelers are the real terrorists should be fostered.
In point of fact, they have done more damage to our nation than Osama could dream of.
40 years of propaganda about the 'free market'...
Destruction of our manufacturing base...
Destruction of the military...
And worst of all the erosion of trust between all citizens without which we are going to be unable to rebuild our economy.
Ignorant tools like Boehner are still spewing lies which do more than spread false information; they make us suspicious of each other.
Sadly, at this point I wonder if Obama is going to do the same thing. The idea that is 'stimulus' package is all about helping the average citizen gets more threadbare every day.
The H-1B Visa was changed in 1990. They changed the requirement on the "H" Visa, which had worked perfectly well and been around since 1952 to say there was no requirement that the guest worker would not abandon their permanent home residence.
So, while you are correct, both parties, Democrats, Republicans, Clinton Bush have been doing the corporate lobbyists bidding for years, one needs to realize it is not just one party, one administration. They all are corrupt as hell, doing what corporations want and not what is in the best national interest or U.S. workers interest.
This is an issue of the AFL-CIO and since they are probably the most powerful force we have, considering joining up with WashTech and/or writing, pressuring the AFL-CIO to do more on professional labor issues isn't a bad idea.
There are also numerous grassroots out there and you can't go to slashdot or any technical "geek" site without reading about this. That's because the #1 targeted occupations for global labor arbitrage are STEM/I.T. categories.
Nurses too and note, Congress has not specifically put money to demand U.S. nursing schools expand, pay Professors much more to create more U.S. nurses. Right now 50,000 applicants are turned away and the GPA requirements to get into nursing school are higher than medical school.
Why is that? Because the Philippines and other nations think nurses are something to trade (teachers too), and the United States has offshore outsourced training and education.
When can we have some rules on these bailouts. That companies help unemployed American workers instead of outsourcing or hiring temporary working visa workers like h1b. It seems the ordinary people gets the bill but they are not even helped at all. We need to bailout what is left of our manufacturing and small business here in America.
Obama is starting to become just a repeat of the Clinton Administration which started all these problems.
Romer is claimed to have a paper that tax cuts do generate a larger GDP multiplier. Mankiw (remember him, outsourcing is good for America Bush economic adviser) it trying to claim that's what her research says.
But Brad DeLong is debunking this particular research paper.
Yet from somewhere are these tax cuts coming from. Someone needs to do a detailed graph of various tax cuts and compare to economic growth.
My issue is all of these economists, left and right are ignoring the globalization realities. We have GDP that is actually production in foreign countries, due to offshore outsourcing, they count foreign guest workers in the employment statistics which skews the numbers.
They are ignoring the multibillion dollar offshore outsourcing industry, in India it's about 5.7% of GDP and most of those contracts, a good portion are previous U.S. jobs.
They ignore illegal labor and how that causes wage repression, a massive underground economy (tax cuts? how about no taxes whatsoever!), erosion of worker rights.
If it's true the U.S. has 10-20M illegal immigrants this seriously skews the labor force. The entire population is only 305 million in the U.S. with about a 100 million sized workforce (or less).
In this document, some of our institutions like the NSF are promoting wage repression, labor arbitrage of PhD level researchers and post docs and indeed they are.
Somehow these institutions are able to promote a global labor arbitrage/wage repression agenda when they receive a lot of taxpayer funds and this should be stopped, period.
and they are ignoring trade and how manufacturing is getting gutted by arbitrage and terms in trade agreements.
China just overcame Germany has the 3rd largest economy yet China still has emerging economy status! It's absurd to give China emerging economic status. India too at this point. Brazil....maybe not.
But at some point this whole global village the the resulting economic realities needs to be dealt with and they are not....and because of that I don't think any policy will be effective, or at best, maybe 30-50% less effective than it could be.
...Omama's rhetoric on this, which I think good, is so out of step with what I see as the reality.
Tax cuts do NOT equal jobs. This is Republican and 'conservative' economics twaddle which you would think most policy makers would know by now.
Trying to, '...we must act now...' does not square with, as McClatchy points out, the actual package. Are we looking at a redux ox of Bush II all talk and no effective policy?
If so we are in for some real trouble.
I grabbed the wrong piece, thinking I was copying another piece. I decided to leave it in for a lot of these current tax cut proposals are quite similar to the last "Stimulus"
and the bottom line of Keynesian spending implies they are not very effective.
But I did grab the wrong article when hunting on his latest tax cut commentary. Now corrected and the rest of the links are from 01/09.
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